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	<title>Comments on: Climategate: Seven Hard Questions from the Case Study of the Fall of Enron (will the AAAS panel consider them?)</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Bradley Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-6021</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bradley Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Broder&#039;s front page article in today&#039;s New York Times, &quot;Scientists Take Steps to Defend Climate Work,&quot; is relevant to this post:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/science/earth/03climate.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Broder&#8217;s front page article in today&#8217;s New York Times, &#8220;Scientists Take Steps to Defend Climate Work,&#8221; is relevant to this post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/science/earth/03climate.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/science/earth/03climate.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Enron and Climate Gate &#171; Sleepy Old Bear Diaries</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>Enron and Climate Gate &#171; Sleepy Old Bear Diaries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an extremely interesting blog post a few days ago by Rob Bradley, an old friend of North from Enron days – where North had been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Bradley Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bradley Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael.

Framing the debate in this way might help historians of science when they deal with Climategate.

Really, this is about organizational failure rather than one company (Enron) or manstream climate science. It can be applied to a variety of situations and gets to best business practices, an area in which you are expert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael.</p>
<p>Framing the debate in this way might help historians of science when they deal with Climategate.</p>
<p>Really, this is about organizational failure rather than one company (Enron) or manstream climate science. It can be applied to a variety of situations and gets to best business practices, an area in which you are expert!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Strong</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4961</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analogy, Rob, very well done.  An important contribution to the debate, and you have just the credibility to put North on the spot on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analogy, Rob, very well done.  An important contribution to the debate, and you have just the credibility to put North on the spot on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bradley: Climategate from an Enron Perspective &#171; Climate Audit</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4829</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bradley: Climategate from an Enron Perspective &#171; Climate Audit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an extremely interesting blog post a few days ago by Rob Bradley, an old friend of North from Enron days &#8211; where North had been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4652</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;you can’t claim CO2 is causing warming without a mechanism.&quot;

The hypothesized mechanism is provided by the absorption bands of CO2 that are located near the peak of the black-body spectrum at the mean temperature of the Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;you can’t claim CO2 is causing warming without a mechanism.&#8221;</p>
<p>The hypothesized mechanism is provided by the absorption bands of CO2 that are located near the peak of the black-body spectrum at the mean temperature of the Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek D</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4569</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Andrew.  To my knowledge the AAAS was founded through the efforts of Margaret Mead, Stephen Schneider, and others for the explicit purpose of being the lobbying arm for the Climate Change agenda.    Didn&#039;t the AAAS once stand behind Global COOLING &quot;science&quot;?  Global Warming doesn&#039;t stand on a shred of real science.  You can&#039;t extrapolate temperature readings from 15% of the earths surface out to 100% with 100% accuracy, predictibility etc.  You can&#039;t claim CO2 is causing warming without a mechanism or quanitifiable warming signal.  Global Warming is not a science, these people are not scientists, and this will not be a scientific debate.  It will be two sides prepared political statements defending their agenda and attacking the other.  As a chemical physicist with patents to my name (ie I HAVE bore the burden of proof), I am insulted to see the word science used so liberally to describe this dog and pony show.  

That said your point about Enron is spot on.  Global Warming has never been about the fear of global warming.  It has always been about manipulating the supply and demand for energy.  By 2000 it was obvious that computer technology was going to accelerate the future at a pace never thought possible.  Huge amounts of information, data, mail, video, audio, etc, could suddenly globally distributed at the speed of light for an immeasurably small cost.  No longer were trucks, airplanes, boats, cars, etc required.  This would be a HUGE hit to the demand for oil.  This without even considering the ever increasing likelihood of some new perpetual energy source being discovered or created.  So what was the result?  Manipulate demand!  

Global warming was never about the fear of global warming, it has always been about the fear of taking your energy away.   It is not a coincidence that the heyday of Enron, the war in Iraq, and the ramping up of Global Warming  politics so closely coincided.  All were moves to create the threat of supply being taken off the table to increase demand.   Insider trading for a priviliged and connected few.  And of course carbon markets were simultaneously the facade and the hedge.  The escape clause in case the plan worked TOO well.  So of course Enron turned to politics to become who they were.  ACTUALLY reducing the energy supply was not an option.  There are enough discovered resources on this planet to last the world a millennia or more.  FACT.   They needed the lies, doublespeak and misdirection of politics to provide them the THREAT of a reduced energy supply.   And it nearly worked.  Recall that in 2008 some half a trillion barrels of oil were discovered in the western hemisphere yet oil shot up to $137 a barrel.  Ask your economics teacher to explain that supply and demand relationship to you.  

But sadly the reason for the scam was ultimately its undoing.  You see not only does the internet eliminate the need for lots of oil use, but it also renders nearly every bit of data in the world accessible, even against the best efforts of those trying to keep it hidden.  And it was only a matter of time before the deceit, manipulations of science, and utter fallacy of it all were exposed.  Now is that time.  And I still expect it to get bigger and worse.  The collapse of the AGW hoax will make Enron&#039;s scandal look like an honest accounting error before its all said and done.   And the answers to your 7 questions will seem hilariously insignificant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Andrew.  To my knowledge the AAAS was founded through the efforts of Margaret Mead, Stephen Schneider, and others for the explicit purpose of being the lobbying arm for the Climate Change agenda.    Didn&#8217;t the AAAS once stand behind Global COOLING &#8220;science&#8221;?  Global Warming doesn&#8217;t stand on a shred of real science.  You can&#8217;t extrapolate temperature readings from 15% of the earths surface out to 100% with 100% accuracy, predictibility etc.  You can&#8217;t claim CO2 is causing warming without a mechanism or quanitifiable warming signal.  Global Warming is not a science, these people are not scientists, and this will not be a scientific debate.  It will be two sides prepared political statements defending their agenda and attacking the other.  As a chemical physicist with patents to my name (ie I HAVE bore the burden of proof), I am insulted to see the word science used so liberally to describe this dog and pony show.  </p>
<p>That said your point about Enron is spot on.  Global Warming has never been about the fear of global warming.  It has always been about manipulating the supply and demand for energy.  By 2000 it was obvious that computer technology was going to accelerate the future at a pace never thought possible.  Huge amounts of information, data, mail, video, audio, etc, could suddenly globally distributed at the speed of light for an immeasurably small cost.  No longer were trucks, airplanes, boats, cars, etc required.  This would be a HUGE hit to the demand for oil.  This without even considering the ever increasing likelihood of some new perpetual energy source being discovered or created.  So what was the result?  Manipulate demand!  </p>
<p>Global warming was never about the fear of global warming, it has always been about the fear of taking your energy away.   It is not a coincidence that the heyday of Enron, the war in Iraq, and the ramping up of Global Warming  politics so closely coincided.  All were moves to create the threat of supply being taken off the table to increase demand.   Insider trading for a priviliged and connected few.  And of course carbon markets were simultaneously the facade and the hedge.  The escape clause in case the plan worked TOO well.  So of course Enron turned to politics to become who they were.  ACTUALLY reducing the energy supply was not an option.  There are enough discovered resources on this planet to last the world a millennia or more.  FACT.   They needed the lies, doublespeak and misdirection of politics to provide them the THREAT of a reduced energy supply.   And it nearly worked.  Recall that in 2008 some half a trillion barrels of oil were discovered in the western hemisphere yet oil shot up to $137 a barrel.  Ask your economics teacher to explain that supply and demand relationship to you.  </p>
<p>But sadly the reason for the scam was ultimately its undoing.  You see not only does the internet eliminate the need for lots of oil use, but it also renders nearly every bit of data in the world accessible, even against the best efforts of those trying to keep it hidden.  And it was only a matter of time before the deceit, manipulations of science, and utter fallacy of it all were exposed.  Now is that time.  And I still expect it to get bigger and worse.  The collapse of the AGW hoax will make Enron&#8217;s scandal look like an honest accounting error before its all said and done.   And the answers to your 7 questions will seem hilariously insignificant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bradley Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2010/02/climategate-7-hard-questions-from-enron/comment-page-1/#comment-4533</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bradley Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Dr. North has called anyone a &quot;holocaust denier&quot; as too many have, even among credentialed scientists, but he has stayed far too quiet and then gloves off with Climategate today and a few years back, Al Gore&#039;s book and movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Dr. North has called anyone a &#8220;holocaust denier&#8221; as too many have, even among credentialed scientists, but he has stayed far too quiet and then gloves off with Climategate today and a few years back, Al Gore&#8217;s book and movie.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that your friend North and others are too far out of the limb to come back in now. After you&#039;ve labeled anyone who disagrees with you a holocaust denier, there&#039;s not much room for moderation. These people can never back down - they can only grow old and retire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that your friend North and others are too far out of the limb to come back in now. After you&#8217;ve labeled anyone who disagrees with you a holocaust denier, there&#8217;s not much room for moderation. These people can never back down &#8211; they can only grow old and retire.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful comparison about the stages involved in the collapse of Enron and the erosion of the evidence marshalled to support the so-called climate change/global warming orthodoxy. 

That the scientific investigation about the behavior of climate around the planet is so very new, and since even the baseline data for this enterprise remains relatively inchoate, and because the variables involved are so complex and entwined--it is astonishing that the grand narrative of Global Warming has gotten this much traction as science--and not science fiction. Ken Lay certainly didn&#039;t need H.G. Wells when he had James Hanson, et al.

When the provisional ideas of ongoing scientific inquiry become politicized and then supported by a concatenation of groups seeking to profit from the idea--when science meets James Cameron and becomes entertainment for the masses in order to sell soap, then we&#039;ll get what we have--with the pigs now flying up and out of the public trough, everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful comparison about the stages involved in the collapse of Enron and the erosion of the evidence marshalled to support the so-called climate change/global warming orthodoxy. </p>
<p>That the scientific investigation about the behavior of climate around the planet is so very new, and since even the baseline data for this enterprise remains relatively inchoate, and because the variables involved are so complex and entwined&#8211;it is astonishing that the grand narrative of Global Warming has gotten this much traction as science&#8211;and not science fiction. Ken Lay certainly didn&#8217;t need H.G. Wells when he had James Hanson, et al.</p>
<p>When the provisional ideas of ongoing scientific inquiry become politicized and then supported by a concatenation of groups seeking to profit from the idea&#8211;when science meets James Cameron and becomes entertainment for the masses in order to sell soap, then we&#8217;ll get what we have&#8211;with the pigs now flying up and out of the public trough, everywhere.</p>
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