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	<title>Comments on: Ken Green on the New &#8216;Denialists&#8217; (circling the wagons on Climategate)</title>
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		<title>By: Allen Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So while others label Copenhagen a “failure”, I suggest you look a little more carefully. This is not really about specific emissions cuts, the bigger game is to sneak the infrastructure in. And there’s every indication they are well on track to succeed on this.&quot;

This is precisely what Lord Monckton said was the real purpose of  Hopenchangen.  The science is irrelevant.

The forces of darkness are simply in strategic retreat, if at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So while others label Copenhagen a “failure”, I suggest you look a little more carefully. This is not really about specific emissions cuts, the bigger game is to sneak the infrastructure in. And there’s every indication they are well on track to succeed on this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is precisely what Lord Monckton said was the real purpose of  Hopenchangen.  The science is irrelevant.</p>
<p>The forces of darkness are simply in strategic retreat, if at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Climategate: Here Comes Courage! &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Climategate: Here Comes Courage! &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Droz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Droz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken:

I am in perfect agreement with the thrust of your article.

One disagreement though: &quot;...it reveals a science as broken...&quot; is a slip from the proper focus.

Science is NOT broken. It has been perverted by self-serving agenda promoters. The reality is that Science has been avoided at all costs by these losers.

In a simial vein, the Catholic Church is not broken by human failings. Democracy is not broken by the greed and insensitivity of politicians. Etc.

We need to keep well separated the institution and principles, from the execution by inadequate humans.

As you subsequently (and rightly) say, the Scientific Method is alive and well, and should be our first test of any of these theories. AGW has not been subjected to the Scientific Method, and until it is, it is no more than a hypothesis.

That should be the foundation of any real scientist&#039;s position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>I am in perfect agreement with the thrust of your article.</p>
<p>One disagreement though: &#8220;&#8230;it reveals a science as broken&#8230;&#8221; is a slip from the proper focus.</p>
<p>Science is NOT broken. It has been perverted by self-serving agenda promoters. The reality is that Science has been avoided at all costs by these losers.</p>
<p>In a simial vein, the Catholic Church is not broken by human failings. Democracy is not broken by the greed and insensitivity of politicians. Etc.</p>
<p>We need to keep well separated the institution and principles, from the execution by inadequate humans.</p>
<p>As you subsequently (and rightly) say, the Scientific Method is alive and well, and should be our first test of any of these theories. AGW has not been subjected to the Scientific Method, and until it is, it is no more than a hypothesis.</p>
<p>That should be the foundation of any real scientist&#8217;s position.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another troubling post from Dec. 19, 2009:
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/and-so-it-begins.html

And so it begins…

&quot;The shift happens as the United States backed what amounts to the single biggest transfer of wealth from rich to poor nations for any one cause -- in a sense offering compensation for decades of warming the Earth.&quot; – Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post, today 

The deal expected at Copenhagen, highlighted back in May when I released my book Air Con, followed up by Investigate magazine and Lord Monckton before catching fire across the internet, has now come to pass. 

No, it is not yet legally binding. But it will be. 

You see, throughout this torturous process in the Danish capital over the last 14 days, the people pulling the strings have clung to their central core themes: wealth transfer, world governance. Climate was actually a distant third on the priority list. 

Anyone wishing to trace back the longer history need only read Air Con, or any number of UN publications buried deep in the UN website with innocuous names that give no clue to the ambitions contained within their pages. 

Here&#039;s why the US$100 billion wealth transfer is the wedge that will fundamentally overhaul the political landscape of planet earth forever: 
It&#039;s not the amount of money that&#039;s the issue, it is instead the infrastructure required to administer the money and oversee its collection and expenditure. By agreeing to provide a vast sum on money in &quot;climate compensation&quot;, the globalists have automatically created the need for a vast global bureaucracy to administer the programme. How else could it possibly be done? 


And which global agency is perched to implant itself as this massive governance organization? Try this one for size. http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/uns-ban-ki-moon-boasts-global-government-coming-like-it-or-not.html

What&#039;s integral to this is what administering this money will do for the UN. Currently, it has an &#039;official&#039; budget of US$4.2 billion a year. I say &#039;official&#039; because in partnership with donor countries the UN administers several billion more each year through the UN Development Programme and similar entities. But let&#039;s go with $4.2 billion for now. 
For US$100 billion a year, you are talking some serious prestige and power for the UN. Assuming 80% of the funding reaches its destination (probably in the Swiss bank accounts of corrupt Third World leaders), that&#039;s still 20% to pay the wages of a vastly increased UN field staff and &#039;peacekeeping&#039; force to protect them as they administer the programme. 
And of course, $100 billion is only a starting point. The UN and the Third World have talked of up to $1 trillion a year in climate adaptation and compensation. 
Barack Obama talks about the &#039;mechanism&#039; to deliver this pool of funds, that it needs to be global but it need not encroach on sovereignty too much. In principle, it won&#039;t at all – that&#039;s because sovereigns make a free will choice to sign and ratify the agreement and its conditions. They&#039;re still sovereign, but like any contract they are required to keep their promise to allow the UN agency access and control over relevant areas if required. Sovereignty in name only. 
The Third World countries are suspicious because, much as they desire the cash, they know the UN will be demanding accountability for the cash, and perhaps even political reform. In this way, the UN hopes to drag the Third World up closer to the level of the First World, and it hopes to be hailed as a hero for modernizing and democratizing the planet, ready for full global government and the end of nation states. 

This is, of course, is already on the UNDP agenda. 

So while others label Copenhagen a &quot;failure&quot;, I suggest you look a little more carefully. This is not really about specific emissions cuts, the bigger game is to sneak the infrastructure in. And there&#039;s every indication they are well on track to succeed on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another troubling post from Dec. 19, 2009:<br />
<a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/and-so-it-begins.html" rel="nofollow">http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/and-so-it-begins.html</a></p>
<p>And so it begins…</p>
<p>&#8220;The shift happens as the United States backed what amounts to the single biggest transfer of wealth from rich to poor nations for any one cause &#8212; in a sense offering compensation for decades of warming the Earth.&#8221; – Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post, today </p>
<p>The deal expected at Copenhagen, highlighted back in May when I released my book Air Con, followed up by Investigate magazine and Lord Monckton before catching fire across the internet, has now come to pass. </p>
<p>No, it is not yet legally binding. But it will be. </p>
<p>You see, throughout this torturous process in the Danish capital over the last 14 days, the people pulling the strings have clung to their central core themes: wealth transfer, world governance. Climate was actually a distant third on the priority list. </p>
<p>Anyone wishing to trace back the longer history need only read Air Con, or any number of UN publications buried deep in the UN website with innocuous names that give no clue to the ambitions contained within their pages. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why the US$100 billion wealth transfer is the wedge that will fundamentally overhaul the political landscape of planet earth forever:<br />
It&#8217;s not the amount of money that&#8217;s the issue, it is instead the infrastructure required to administer the money and oversee its collection and expenditure. By agreeing to provide a vast sum on money in &#8220;climate compensation&#8221;, the globalists have automatically created the need for a vast global bureaucracy to administer the programme. How else could it possibly be done? </p>
<p>And which global agency is perched to implant itself as this massive governance organization? Try this one for size. <a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/uns-ban-ki-moon-boasts-global-government-coming-like-it-or-not.html" rel="nofollow">http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/12/uns-ban-ki-moon-boasts-global-government-coming-like-it-or-not.html</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s integral to this is what administering this money will do for the UN. Currently, it has an &#8216;official&#8217; budget of US$4.2 billion a year. I say &#8216;official&#8217; because in partnership with donor countries the UN administers several billion more each year through the UN Development Programme and similar entities. But let&#8217;s go with $4.2 billion for now.<br />
For US$100 billion a year, you are talking some serious prestige and power for the UN. Assuming 80% of the funding reaches its destination (probably in the Swiss bank accounts of corrupt Third World leaders), that&#8217;s still 20% to pay the wages of a vastly increased UN field staff and &#8216;peacekeeping&#8217; force to protect them as they administer the programme.<br />
And of course, $100 billion is only a starting point. The UN and the Third World have talked of up to $1 trillion a year in climate adaptation and compensation.<br />
Barack Obama talks about the &#8216;mechanism&#8217; to deliver this pool of funds, that it needs to be global but it need not encroach on sovereignty too much. In principle, it won&#8217;t at all – that&#8217;s because sovereigns make a free will choice to sign and ratify the agreement and its conditions. They&#8217;re still sovereign, but like any contract they are required to keep their promise to allow the UN agency access and control over relevant areas if required. Sovereignty in name only.<br />
The Third World countries are suspicious because, much as they desire the cash, they know the UN will be demanding accountability for the cash, and perhaps even political reform. In this way, the UN hopes to drag the Third World up closer to the level of the First World, and it hopes to be hailed as a hero for modernizing and democratizing the planet, ready for full global government and the end of nation states. </p>
<p>This is, of course, is already on the UNDP agenda. </p>
<p>So while others label Copenhagen a &#8220;failure&#8221;, I suggest you look a little more carefully. This is not really about specific emissions cuts, the bigger game is to sneak the infrastructure in. And there&#8217;s every indication they are well on track to succeed on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how do we stop this gigantice engine?

Nature Magazine published this in their Dec. 24, 2009 issue.

Newsmaker of the year: The power player
As a physicist, he found a way to capture atoms and won a Nobel prize. Now he is marshalling scientists and engineers to transform the world&#039;s biggest energy economy. Eric Hand profiles the US energy secretary, Nature&#039;s Newsmaker of the Year.  STEVEN CHU
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091223/full/462978a.html

Look at the money and power he controls. All based on the hockey stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how do we stop this gigantice engine?</p>
<p>Nature Magazine published this in their Dec. 24, 2009 issue.</p>
<p>Newsmaker of the year: The power player<br />
As a physicist, he found a way to capture atoms and won a Nobel prize. Now he is marshalling scientists and engineers to transform the world&#8217;s biggest energy economy. Eric Hand profiles the US energy secretary, Nature&#8217;s Newsmaker of the Year.  STEVEN CHU<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091223/full/462978a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091223/full/462978a.html</a></p>
<p>Look at the money and power he controls. All based on the hockey stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll see more and more coming from Canada as our own Climate Grifters are outed and there&#039;s a scrambling to cover some arses.  Our &quot;science&quot; has been controlled by politicians for decades and that&#039;s only coming to light now.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18468</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll see more and more coming from Canada as our own Climate Grifters are outed and there&#8217;s a scrambling to cover some arses.  Our &#8220;science&#8221; has been controlled by politicians for decades and that&#8217;s only coming to light now.</p>
<p><a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18468" rel="nofollow">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18468</a></p>
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