Comments on: Countering Sen. Kerry’s Catastrophic Climate Claims (Part 1 of 2) http://www.masterresource.org/2009/12/countering-kerrys-catastrophic-climate-claims-part-1-of-2-2/ A free-market energy blog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:41:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: drjohn http://www.masterresource.org/2009/12/countering-kerrys-catastrophic-climate-claims-part-1-of-2-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3792 drjohn Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:08:30 +0000 http://www.masterresource.org/?p=6388#comment-3792 Oustanding post--great work. Kerry believes what he does because that "belief" is the lynchpin for the government taking control of pretty much our entire lives. If the warming fright flames out, so does that effort. This was never about the environment. It was always about a means of control. And taxes, of course. Oustanding post–great work.

Kerry believes what he does because that “belief” is the lynchpin for the government taking control of pretty much our entire lives. If the warming fright flames out, so does that effort.

This was never about the environment. It was always about a means of control.

And taxes, of course.

]]> By: tom klein http://www.masterresource.org/2009/12/countering-kerrys-catastrophic-climate-claims-part-1-of-2-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3787 tom klein Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:49:29 +0000 http://www.masterresource.org/?p=6388#comment-3787 Dr Alley is the poster boy of the "hand waving argument". Both his method of presentation and the quality of his arguments can be characterized as "hand waving" especially when it comes to more recent data like comparing CO2 to interest on credit. How about using the Occam Razor principle and attributing the lag of CO2 to temperature to the solubility of CO2 in the oceans. I find that explanation a lot more satisfactory on both scientific and economic grounds Dr Alley is the poster boy of the “hand waving argument”. Both his method of presentation and the quality of his arguments can be characterized as “hand waving” especially when it comes to more recent data like comparing CO2 to interest on credit. How about using the Occam Razor principle and attributing the lag of CO2 to temperature to the solubility of CO2 in the oceans. I find that explanation a lot more satisfactory on both scientific and economic grounds

]]> By: JD Will http://www.masterresource.org/2009/12/countering-kerrys-catastrophic-climate-claims-part-1-of-2-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3767 JD Will Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:03:45 +0000 http://www.masterresource.org/?p=6388#comment-3767 I think you have hit the $64 trillion question on the nose. Before we march off to dismantle/rebuild our energy based way of life we need to address the uncertainty in the IPCC calculation (not to mention uncertainty about some their members ethics). Many of the particular subjects like the oceans as calorimeter, solar GCR modulation, and the iris effect are in the links you provide. I am rooting for a planet that has many tricks up its sleeve for handling climate balance as the long term record would suggest. The answer is certainly more complex that the media blitz has let on. But, to ignore CO2 would be perilous. If you are interested in the science, this presentation is from an AGW proponent, but is highly informative and entertaining. The speaker, Dr Richard B Alley gives a very good paleoclimate history and also addresses CO2 lag to temperature with a good analogy to loan interest. http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml As to the risk, I am agreeing mostly with Levitt and Dubner (SuperFreakanomics) who I listened to on C-Span discussing the mitigation, avoidance and adaptation risk strategies. The key point was that dramatic mitigation effort now will have a relatively small percentage impact in a century and it is better to wait until the problem is better determined before reacting. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/214460 (Has a searchable transcript) I think you have hit the $64 trillion question on the nose. Before we march off to dismantle/rebuild our energy based way of life we need to address the uncertainty in the IPCC calculation (not to mention uncertainty about some their members ethics). Many of the particular subjects like the oceans as calorimeter, solar GCR modulation, and the iris effect are in the links you provide. I am rooting for a planet that has many tricks up its sleeve for handling climate balance as the long term record would suggest.

The answer is certainly more complex that the media blitz has let on. But, to ignore CO2 would be perilous. If you are interested in the science, this presentation is from an AGW proponent, but is highly informative and entertaining. The speaker, Dr Richard B Alley gives a very good paleoclimate history and also addresses CO2 lag to temperature with a good analogy to loan interest.

http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml

As to the risk, I am agreeing mostly with Levitt and Dubner (SuperFreakanomics) who I listened to on C-Span discussing the mitigation, avoidance and adaptation risk strategies. The key point was that dramatic mitigation effort now will have a relatively small percentage impact in a century and it is better to wait until the problem is better determined before reacting.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/214460

(Has a searchable transcript)

]]> By: stan http://www.masterresource.org/2009/12/countering-kerrys-catastrophic-climate-claims-part-1-of-2-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3766 stan Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:06:19 +0000 http://www.masterresource.org/?p=6388#comment-3766 Poor Sen. Kerry. Who's he gonna believe? Algore (flunked out and dropped out of his two graduate school endeavors) whose opinions might be influenced by the over $100 million he's wagered on AGW or a scientist who has actually been paying attention. Poor Sen. Kerry. Who’s he gonna believe? Algore (flunked out and dropped out of his two graduate school endeavors) whose opinions might be influenced by the over $100 million he’s wagered on AGW or a scientist who has actually been paying attention.

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