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	<title>Comments on: What Does the Last Decade Tell Us about Global Warming? (Hint: the &#8216;skeptics&#039; have the momentum)</title>
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		<title>By: The Future Cap and Trade of Our Livelyhoods &#171; Raptor Pass</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2009/09/what-does-the-last-decade-tell-us-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-2873</link>
		<dc:creator>The Future Cap and Trade of Our Livelyhoods &#171; Raptor Pass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MarkB</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2009/09/what-does-the-last-decade-tell-us-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding those three Andy Revkin articles. The second is merely a note, announcing the first. The first seeks to explain away the current conditions, with the typical &quot;now that it&#039;s happened, we knew it all along&quot; talk from the same scientists who have given us apocalyptic talk up to now. The third really isn&#039;t on topic - it discusses the public&#039;s apathy to said apocalyptic predictions. Andy&#039;s attempts at even-handedness have been consistant - &quot;someone says (one paragraph), but all these scientists disagree (rest of article).&quot;

Andy Revkin has made a career on reporting Global Warming, not covering the debate. He&#039;s all in, and he needs to protect his chips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding those three Andy Revkin articles. The second is merely a note, announcing the first. The first seeks to explain away the current conditions, with the typical &#8220;now that it&#8217;s happened, we knew it all along&#8221; talk from the same scientists who have given us apocalyptic talk up to now. The third really isn&#8217;t on topic &#8211; it discusses the public&#8217;s apathy to said apocalyptic predictions. Andy&#8217;s attempts at even-handedness have been consistant &#8211; &#8220;someone says (one paragraph), but all these scientists disagree (rest of article).&#8221;</p>
<p>Andy Revkin has made a career on reporting Global Warming, not covering the debate. He&#8217;s all in, and he needs to protect his chips.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob R Geologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob R Geologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprises here other than the statement that negated any warming by CO2 whatever. When the Kyoto protocols first came out, I knew from our knowledge of past climates  that concentrations of CO2 more than 10 times our present 380ppm, never caused climate overheating detrimental to plant and animal life. Why all the alarm at the prospect of merely doubling it? The answer can only be that there is big, big money to be made our of climate warming hysteria!! The proponents are not ranting idiots, just venal profiteers and scientists prostituting their disciplines and power seeking politicians. This has become a scandal of world wide proportions. And, worst of all, our media has been corrupted. I have had a dozen  fact laden letters and opinion pieces rejected by my newspaper.  The past 10 years that the climate has not warmed has cracked the foundation of this monsterous scam but it will require at least another cool 10 years to kill the beast. The wreckage will be world wide. I just hope our once great country will not be a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprises here other than the statement that negated any warming by CO2 whatever. When the Kyoto protocols first came out, I knew from our knowledge of past climates  that concentrations of CO2 more than 10 times our present 380ppm, never caused climate overheating detrimental to plant and animal life. Why all the alarm at the prospect of merely doubling it? The answer can only be that there is big, big money to be made our of climate warming hysteria!! The proponents are not ranting idiots, just venal profiteers and scientists prostituting their disciplines and power seeking politicians. This has become a scandal of world wide proportions. And, worst of all, our media has been corrupted. I have had a dozen  fact laden letters and opinion pieces rejected by my newspaper.  The past 10 years that the climate has not warmed has cracked the foundation of this monsterous scam but it will require at least another cool 10 years to kill the beast. The wreckage will be world wide. I just hope our once great country will not be a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Goodrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Goodrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point -- adding to Dr Sobieski -- is that the normal El Niño oscillation stores enormous amounts of heat in the Pacific Warm Pool at depths below 200 meters, then spreads it over the surface where it effects climate during an  El Niño event.  Thus incoming and outgoing radiation may balance in a longer term but not short-term.

Yet another consideration is that the entire CO2-driven Global Warming theory, as expressed in the silly models, has proven completely, spectacularly wrong in every concrete prediction it has made -- no extra warming in the lower troposphere, no ocean heat buildup during the current cool spell, and so on.  Its only confirmation is a weak correlation between temperature and CO2 concentration for the years 1980--1997.

By contrast, a competing theory -- the Svensmark effect, solar variation affecting cosmic rays -- has good correlations on time scales from months to millions of years.

The IPCC models are, as some of us have been saying for twenty years, useless simpleminded trash.  And when the American (and European) people realize this, and look at the enormous price they have already paid for this nonsense, some scientists and many politicians may find themselves lynched from their own beloved wind turbines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point &#8212; adding to Dr Sobieski &#8212; is that the normal El Niño oscillation stores enormous amounts of heat in the Pacific Warm Pool at depths below 200 meters, then spreads it over the surface where it effects climate during an  El Niño event.  Thus incoming and outgoing radiation may balance in a longer term but not short-term.</p>
<p>Yet another consideration is that the entire CO2-driven Global Warming theory, as expressed in the silly models, has proven completely, spectacularly wrong in every concrete prediction it has made &#8212; no extra warming in the lower troposphere, no ocean heat buildup during the current cool spell, and so on.  Its only confirmation is a weak correlation between temperature and CO2 concentration for the years 1980&#8211;1997.</p>
<p>By contrast, a competing theory &#8212; the Svensmark effect, solar variation affecting cosmic rays &#8212; has good correlations on time scales from months to millions of years.</p>
<p>The IPCC models are, as some of us have been saying for twenty years, useless simpleminded trash.  And when the American (and European) people realize this, and look at the enormous price they have already paid for this nonsense, some scientists and many politicians may find themselves lynched from their own beloved wind turbines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaroslaw Sobieski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaroslaw Sobieski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the point of your article, I would like to bring to your attention some information that you may or may not be familiar with.

The NASA Langley Research Center  where I work  designed and operated an Earth Radiation Budget  satellite program (ERB) in the 90&#039;s. The purpose was to determine whether  the amount of energy absorbed by the Planet Earth from outside is equal to, smaller than, or greater than that  radiated back into space. Obviously, that energy balance is profoundly important to know whether  the Earth is in a thermal steady state, cools down, or warms up.

The program has concluded (there  were and still are other  satellites , e.g., the CERES series, that followed up) and the results were archived at the NASA  Goddard Space Center. They are summarized on a number of websites and cited in many articles (references are available). The principal websites are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/erbe/components2.gif

http://okfirst.mesonet.org/train/meteorology/EnergyBudget2.html

(The larc website is the root reference)

The key result was surprising: the energy received equals to that radiated out; all three websites provide data to show that. It is surprising because this equilibrium would indicate the Earth temperature not changing despite that the ground data indicate warming (regardless whether  people are  guilty or not).  Elementary thermodynamics tells us this.

However, the ground data do show warming. How such warming is possible despite the Earth radiative energy balance? One explanation  that I can think of is that there  may be a slight imbalance with the energy absorbed exceeding that radiated out by a small amount below the satellite instrumentation resolution. If so, the imbalance is small and not a reason for the doomsday alarm trumpeting by Mr. Gore and his media sycophants.

The other possibility is that the energy is in balance but  is being redistributed within the Earth oceans and atmosphere. If the latter were true, we should see mutually offsetting warming and cooling in various regions of the globe. If the redistribution is responsible for the ground data indicating that the climate is changing, then we do not have global warming or cooling, the whole process is a resultant of regional variations, and the research now preoccupied with CO2 ought to be redirected to the causes and effects of such redistribution. A very different issue.

I thought that it might be an opportunity for students of the subject like you to look deeper  into the ERB data and their interpretation. Perhaps, it would be a very constructive contribution to the climate changing debate. It is very puzzling indeed that the data available on the Earth energy balance (collected by the US Government at a considerable taxpayer expense) are  not being mentioned as the key piece of information in that debate. It is just a single number but so very important. Maybe it is being ignored because it does not support the cause for alarm, apparently so dear to many people.

Sincerely,

Jaroslaw Sobieski, PhD, AIAA Fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the point of your article, I would like to bring to your attention some information that you may or may not be familiar with.</p>
<p>The NASA Langley Research Center  where I work  designed and operated an Earth Radiation Budget  satellite program (ERB) in the 90&#8217;s. The purpose was to determine whether  the amount of energy absorbed by the Planet Earth from outside is equal to, smaller than, or greater than that  radiated back into space. Obviously, that energy balance is profoundly important to know whether  the Earth is in a thermal steady state, cools down, or warms up.</p>
<p>The program has concluded (there  were and still are other  satellites , e.g., the CERES series, that followed up) and the results were archived at the NASA  Goddard Space Center. They are summarized on a number of websites and cited in many articles (references are available). The principal websites are</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget</a></p>
<p><a href="http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/erbe/components2.gif" rel="nofollow">http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/erbe/components2.gif</a></p>
<p><a href="http://okfirst.mesonet.org/train/meteorology/EnergyBudget2.html" rel="nofollow">http://okfirst.mesonet.org/train/meteorology/EnergyBudget2.html</a></p>
<p>(The larc website is the root reference)</p>
<p>The key result was surprising: the energy received equals to that radiated out; all three websites provide data to show that. It is surprising because this equilibrium would indicate the Earth temperature not changing despite that the ground data indicate warming (regardless whether  people are  guilty or not).  Elementary thermodynamics tells us this.</p>
<p>However, the ground data do show warming. How such warming is possible despite the Earth radiative energy balance? One explanation  that I can think of is that there  may be a slight imbalance with the energy absorbed exceeding that radiated out by a small amount below the satellite instrumentation resolution. If so, the imbalance is small and not a reason for the doomsday alarm trumpeting by Mr. Gore and his media sycophants.</p>
<p>The other possibility is that the energy is in balance but  is being redistributed within the Earth oceans and atmosphere. If the latter were true, we should see mutually offsetting warming and cooling in various regions of the globe. If the redistribution is responsible for the ground data indicating that the climate is changing, then we do not have global warming or cooling, the whole process is a resultant of regional variations, and the research now preoccupied with CO2 ought to be redirected to the causes and effects of such redistribution. A very different issue.</p>
<p>I thought that it might be an opportunity for students of the subject like you to look deeper  into the ERB data and their interpretation. Perhaps, it would be a very constructive contribution to the climate changing debate. It is very puzzling indeed that the data available on the Earth energy balance (collected by the US Government at a considerable taxpayer expense) are  not being mentioned as the key piece of information in that debate. It is just a single number but so very important. Maybe it is being ignored because it does not support the cause for alarm, apparently so dear to many people.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Jaroslaw Sobieski, PhD, AIAA Fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: Is 350 the New 450?&#160;&#124;&#160;OpenMarket.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is 350 the New 450?&#160;&#124;&#160;OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] although CO2 concentrations have increased at an accelerating rate, global temperatures have been stagnant or even declined slightely. To my knowledge, no scientist in the late 1990s predicted a roughly 10-year period of no warming [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] although CO2 concentrations have increased at an accelerating rate, global temperatures have been stagnant or even declined slightely. To my knowledge, no scientist in the late 1990s predicted a roughly 10-year period of no warming [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noblesse Oblige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noblesse Oblige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. But.
1. Cognitive dissonance is making the advocates claims ever more outlandish and ever more shrill.
2. Data manipulation and outright fraud is increasing in an effort to cover up the real science.  (See for example the developments over the last few days on the infamous hockey stick scam).
2. The EU and US seem intent on exerting control over the energy industry, and therefore their economies as a whole, as part of their political agenda.  The state of the science doesn&#039;t matter.  They will just make it up.   Just listen to the Holdren&#039;s outright falsehoods, as expressed by Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. But.<br />
1. Cognitive dissonance is making the advocates claims ever more outlandish and ever more shrill.<br />
2. Data manipulation and outright fraud is increasing in an effort to cover up the real science.  (See for example the developments over the last few days on the infamous hockey stick scam).<br />
2. The EU and US seem intent on exerting control over the energy industry, and therefore their economies as a whole, as part of their political agenda.  The state of the science doesn&#8217;t matter.  They will just make it up.   Just listen to the Holdren&#8217;s outright falsehoods, as expressed by Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Global warming trends - not what you may think - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global warming trends - not what you may think - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is about 5 percent greater now than a decade ago (about 16 parts per million).&#8221; - Chip Knappenberger, 20 years of experience as a climate researcher, including with the Virginia State Climatology [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is about 5 percent greater now than a decade ago (about 16 parts per million).&#8221; &#8211; Chip Knappenberger, 20 years of experience as a climate researcher, including with the Virginia State Climatology [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we take the Hadley Data (despite it’s lack of documentation…) From the last 144 months (September 1997 to August 2009) the trend is:

    ~ -.014 Degrees per decade.

    It appears to me that, since this result also holds for the satellite data (I’ve done the calculations several times) No warming for a full twelve years is a solid conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we take the Hadley Data (despite it’s lack of documentation…) From the last 144 months (September 1997 to August 2009) the trend is:</p>
<p>    ~ -.014 Degrees per decade.</p>
<p>    It appears to me that, since this result also holds for the satellite data (I’ve done the calculations several times) No warming for a full twelve years is a solid conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: cknappenberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cknappenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Revkin kindly emailed me to (correctly) point out, that he has not, in fact, been &quot;belated&quot; in covering the issue of the recent behavior of global temperatures.

Links to some of his previous pieces touching on the topic can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/science/earth/01climate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here,&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/climate-science-moving-from-projections-to-predictions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here, &lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/weekinreview/23revkin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

-Chip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Revkin kindly emailed me to (correctly) point out, that he has not, in fact, been &#8220;belated&#8221; in covering the issue of the recent behavior of global temperatures.</p>
<p>Links to some of his previous pieces touching on the topic can be found <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/science/earth/01climate.html" rel="nofollow"> here,</a>  <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/climate-science-moving-from-projections-to-predictions/" rel="nofollow">here, </a> and <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/weekinreview/23revkin.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>-Chip</p>
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