Comments on: A Death Spiral for Climate Alarmism, Redux?

By: Clothcap

Clothcap — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:52:22 +0000

I had some hopes the EC/EU federalist crazies and the UN that are behind the CoR inspired green death destroying western civilisation would be contained by an Irish no vote. Dream busted. Now for the nightmares. More windfarms, more taxes, more regulations, more unemployment, escalating national debt, loss of nationality. You think you’ve got it bad?
An Aussie tourist told the woeful tale, arrived in the UK and was then informed there was a £5oo plus fuel surcharge to be paid for the return trip.
All based on lies, massaged data, bent hockey sticks, agenda driven and rent seeking scientists, Club of Rome, collaborating governments and bought media. We’ve been screwed and may even end up with Tony Bliar (CoR) as our EU president by appointment. Think I’ll go lob a few curly fluorescents at the door of No 10.
I feel like an unlucky person. Perhaps I should side with the enviro liars, maybe guarantee their failure.
Save the planet, plant a tree and have a bonfire party on Earth day.

By: Cal

Cal — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:29:09 +0000

#12 Algore claims he founded the Heartland Institute, the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Friends of Science, the Science and Public Policy Institute, and the Science and Environmental Policy Project, the Oregon Petition Project, and the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, and that Dick Lindzen, Fred Singer, Roy Spencer, Pat Michaels, John Christy, Ian Plimer, Sherwood and Craig Idso, Robert Balling, David Legates, Claude Allegre, Joanne Nova, and Christopher Monckton are all his children.

By: Oliver K. Manuel

Oliver K. Manuel — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:47:06 +0000

Global Warming: One Small Part of a Big Lie

Space-age measurements since 1959 show clearly that:

(a) The Sun is a variable star, an unsteady heat source.
(b) Neutron-neutron interactions are repulsive, not attractive.
(c) Hydrogen is a solar waste product, not the primary solar fuel.
(d) The stormy Sun influence Earth’s climate much more than CO2.
(e) The Sun is a diffuser powered by repulsive interactions between neutrons.
(f) The Standard Solar Model of a Hydrogen-filled Sun is absolutely obsolete.
(g) There are no balls of Hydrogen in the sky, and solar neutrinos do not oscillate.

REFERENCES:
1. “The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass”, Physics of Atomic Nuclei 69 (2006) 1847-1856; Yadernaya Fizika 69, number 11 (2006); http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0609509

2. “Earth’s Heat Source – The Sun”, Energy and Environment 20 (2009) 131-144; http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.0704

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo
http://myprofile.cos.com/manuelo09

By: Charles

Charles — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:23:59 +0000

Well said Cam, and you have also provided the conclusion which I failed to do, which is that this fiasco will be a serious constraint on human progress in the future, when we will need to investigate catering for larger populations, and higher demand on resources.

By: Cam

Cam — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:27:48 +0000

Spot on Charles – as an environmental scientist myself (and a former AGW ‘believer’ I might add – mind you I dropped the ‘belief’ 6-7 years ago), this is what upsets me the most, is that this very issue will damage science no end. And the eventual scientific skepticism that the world will face in 15-20 years time will be as restrictive on our collective standard of living and our endeavors to protect of the environment as any carbon-trading scheme ever could be.

By: Mike Rowe-Sefallek

Mike Rowe-Sefallek — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:23 +0000

#11 Algore admits it was all a joke.

By: Charles

Charles — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:37:30 +0000

I liked the ‘wishful thinking’ comment in point 7, although I am sad to say it still probably is that. One thing that many of us discount is the desire of the publicly funded scientist to retain all their hard fought for positions and privileges.

It is the best job they will ever get, and scientists are venal creatures much like the rest of the population, so I don’t expect anything but a very difficult and painful process to convince them to back down on this.

The damage to science though is incalculable, and it will take a long time for almost everyone in the science industry to regain some measure of credibility in the future, now that all its flaws and shortcomings are being exposed to the public.

By: ThomasBGray

ThomasBGray — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:57:09 +0000

We sceptics must be concerned with the effect that the collapse of the AGW panic on much of the “scientific” media that have given unquestioning support to the AGW myth. Will Scientific American, Nature, Science, Nat’l Geographic, Smithsonian, Skeptical Inquirer and other “respected” publication ever regain any hint of respectability? Where can we hop to obtain access to unbiased science reports?

By: Crustacean

Crustacean — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:45:41 +0000

I hope Mr. Green’s scenario is how this all plays out. What strikes me as more likely to close the curtain on the global warming fraud is: 1) The fecklessness of the U.S. in confronting Iranian nuclear ambitions leads to all-out war in the Middle East; 2) Oil prices reach unprecedented levels, shutting down the global economy; and 3) To even bring up the subject of global warming “remedies” would be to elicit bitter laughter from an impoverished citizenry. Given the growing resistance to cap-and-trade stretching the timeline for legislative action, all of this could happen before a bill passes. End of story for global warming.

I fervently hope I am wrong.

By: Randy the Ram

Randy the Ram — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:54:39 +0000

As soon as politicians realize that there is nothing to win with that climate garbage, they will forget that topic. As soon as the media realize, that their alarmism is ridiculous and that people are sick of this crap, they will leave the topic. And then suddenly it will be fashioned to be a “Sceptic”