Comments on: Data, Data, Who's Got the Data? (A strange situation at Climate Research Unit, University of East Anglia)

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By: Carbonicus

Carbonicus — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:31:30 +0000

Rubicon – you’ve hit on a paradox of enviro-statism. The people who they purport to help the most end of being the ones they hurt the most.

Our supposed AGW will cause floods and droughts and stronger tropical cycloses, and sub-Saharan Africans will suffer, for example.Of course, all such dire predictions ultimately trace to data like that missing now from CRU, Mann’s (now straightened) Hockey Stick, Stern’s discredited report, and many other questionable/outright incorrect work.

Meanwhile, poverty – economic and energy – will be the direct result of AGW policy on those very people, as cheap sources of “dirty” energy be damned, and alternative energy investments in that region won’t happen to due political risks.Sub-saharan Africa will suffer from a lack of cheap, reliable energy, economic development will suffer, and poverty and all that goes with it result.

From DDT to AGW, the same story repeats. Only this time, we are spending 1-4% of Western GDP ANNUALLY for no measurable result. As you suggest, imagine what could be done for the lot of humanity with even a fraction of these sums.

Copernicus and Galileo. Instructive in, and analogous to, the present situation.

Meanwhile, the stunning destruction of the work of Mann, GISS temp restatements, CRU’s missing and manupulated data turn up weekly, and those who simply label others “denier” and their media accomplices put their hands over their ears and eyes.

Fact, science, and economics do not matter in the land of ideology. They simply get in the way.

By: major

major — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:18:27 +0000

Whats amazing to me is how so many institutions, some normally respected for their objectivity, have been silently infiltrated by these global warming loonies.

Its like invasion of the Body Snatchers…more importantly how can we negate it….its a form of mass hysteria that seems to be sweeping the World..

We must unmask the gorgon, so we can see who our enemy really is…in order to destroy it

By: Rubicon

Rubicon — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:47:47 +0000

Its extremely disconcerting that hundreds of millions of people & in trillions of American dollars or instruments, are to be expended based on data that has been magically homogenized using methods unrevealed based on criteria unrevealed, based on gathered info, that is no longer available.
Global Warming mitigation proposals are draconian in the extreme ye we are to sit back & say, “no problem here folks, just move on.”
In America, the people are awakening to manufactured facts that are being used to create legislation & regulations, which are developed by hyper partisan special interests who just happen to be in the position that they will profit from changes proposed.
The environmental movement is displaying the exact tactics they excoriate traditional businesses for using & in fact, may be taking manipulation to an entirely new level of deception & distortion.
Its time the world take a serious scientific second & perhaps third look at the data & especially the core data used to create the computer models that are used to create predictions which are used now days to scare even little children into thinking the world is coming to an end within weeks unless we jump off the bridge & march lockstep to the siren song of environmentalism.
Human beings are dying on a daily basis in Africa & we are told only Global Warming is important, yet even if we adapt the plans they push, we see less than meager results for gigantic investments, whose money could have directly & immediately helped many in desperate need.
For many, like the latest health care reform proposals, it all looks & sounds like, a scam!

By: Ken Maize

Ken Maize — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:40:53 +0000

Wow! I’m simply astonished at this admission of scientific failure.

By: Ed Betz

Ed Betz — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:35:05 +0000

It seems that there are sufficient weather stations under US control thru the military air fields and other military installations around the world. The military is pretty good at maintaining the data collection locations to be reasonable consistantcy in producing data. They have to have accurate forcasts for military operations. The data is sent to the US Nathional Weather Records Center Ashville NC. I think these sites would be the most consistant in conditions affecting consistantl accuracy of the data. Former USMC Aerographer trained by Navy at NAS Lakehurst, NJ

By: Chip Knappenberger

Chip Knappenberger — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:07:09 +0000

Ken,

Thanks for highligthing this issue.

For a bit of a different take on it, see the comments I left over at Roger’s blog on the article you linked to there.

-Chip

By: Ed Reid

Ed Reid — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:43:08 +0000

The original temperature measurements are “data”. Once they have been “homogenized”, “pasteurized” and otherwise “adjusted” by mysterious passage through multiple “black boxes” they are no longer data. Arguably, they are “un-data” or “non-data”.

The CRU temperature series, like the GISS temperature series, is an approximation of what the data might have looked like if it had been collected routinely and timely from properly sited, installed and maintained temperature measurement stations.

It would seem reasonable to spend a few $ millions to get the measurements right before spending $trillions to remake the global energy economies. However, I may be missing something.