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	<title>Comments on: Why Waxman-Markey Is Not A Climate Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Rent Seeking, Crony Capitalism, and U.S. Energy Politics: Who Wins from the Racket? &#8212; MasterResource</title>
		<link>http://www.masterresource.org/2009/06/why-waxman-markey-is-not-a-climate-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-1922</link>
		<dc:creator>Rent Seeking, Crony Capitalism, and U.S. Energy Politics: Who Wins from the Racket? &#8212; MasterResource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for rent seeking. Most of the hundreds of billions of tax dollars devoted to Waxman-Markey will do little or nothing to reduce the simulated impacts of increased CO2 levels, nor will these monies result in greater [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for rent seeking. Most of the hundreds of billions of tax dollars devoted to Waxman-Markey will do little or nothing to reduce the simulated impacts of increased CO2 levels, nor will these monies result in greater [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe it that the Americans are so stupid that their Congress has approved a bill that none of the voters in the House, including the proponents Waxman and Markey--have read.

Dear God-- tell me that it is not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe it that the Americans are so stupid that their Congress has approved a bill that none of the voters in the House, including the proponents Waxman and Markey&#8211;have read.</p>
<p>Dear God&#8211; tell me that it is not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip, I agree
- Good point too you make re an artificial scarcity of fossil fuels
=   why the energy efficiency  craze given that energy supply is not a problem, and that emission can be dealt with directly (processing or substitution)

Energy efficiency legislation is supposed to be &quot;great at lowering people&#039;s electricity bills...&quot;

Yes, ban consumers from buying what they want and applaud the savings!
(Little savings in banning impopular products, and inefficient products need to be popular or noone would buy them, classic example Edison’s light bulb, bought 19 times out of 20 in the USA  and therefore a banning priority with a big section 211 all to its own in the Waxman-Markey Bill!).

The fact is that efficiency regulation on a product sacrifices performance, construction, appearance and price features, and does not necessarily give the savings suggested anyway.

See
http://ceolas.net/#cc2x
onwards regarding efficiency regulation effect on buildings, lightbulbs, cars, dishwashers and other products.

I have also  written a long account of why the cap and trade in the Bill doesnt work
http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x

Market Reduction of CO2: Cap and Trade - or Not?
Basic Idea -- Offsets -- Tree Planting -- Manufacture Shift -- Fair Trade -- Surreal Market -- Real Market -- Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs -- Allowance Trading -- Companies: Business Stability + Cost --
In Conclusion

INSTEAD, Keep Life simple, deal with the problem....

Assuming a need to deal with emissions,
electricity generation (coal, gas) and transport (mainly automobiles) alone account for nearly 80% of fuel combustion emissions

More:
 No Trade Problems like the ones Obama mentions.
Unlike with Cap and Trade, that involves cement, steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated countries,  electricity and transport changes are not just more limited, but also largely local.


The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages - apart from lowering CO2 emissions:

1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all else that&#039;s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction - and that is one reason why the focus on carbon trading is wrong, compared with the focus on reducing fuel combustion emissions.
2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills for consumers.
3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other energy sources), which also reduces the dependency on oil imports.

Funding and Impact
Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect on electricity bills or transport cost.
The impact on the businesses is further lessened by the stability and predictability surrounding the funding.
Since only electricity and transport are involved, other business continues as usual and consumers and society in general are spared expense and disruption.
This is even more obvious from energy efficiency regulation not being necessary either.


Compare with
today&#039;s all-encompassing Cap and Trade (emission trading) suggestions, with unpredictability, expense, and needless disruption from normal business practice on one hand, or unnecessary profiteering from free allowance handouts with little actual emission reduction on the other hand - together with extensive regulation on what people can or can&#039;t buy and use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip, I agree<br />
- Good point too you make re an artificial scarcity of fossil fuels<br />
=   why the energy efficiency  craze given that energy supply is not a problem, and that emission can be dealt with directly (processing or substitution)</p>
<p>Energy efficiency legislation is supposed to be &#8220;great at lowering people&#8217;s electricity bills&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, ban consumers from buying what they want and applaud the savings!<br />
(Little savings in banning impopular products, and inefficient products need to be popular or noone would buy them, classic example Edison’s light bulb, bought 19 times out of 20 in the USA  and therefore a banning priority with a big section 211 all to its own in the Waxman-Markey Bill!).</p>
<p>The fact is that efficiency regulation on a product sacrifices performance, construction, appearance and price features, and does not necessarily give the savings suggested anyway.</p>
<p>See<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc2x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc2x</a><br />
onwards regarding efficiency regulation effect on buildings, lightbulbs, cars, dishwashers and other products.</p>
<p>I have also  written a long account of why the cap and trade in the Bill doesnt work<br />
<a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cce5x</a></p>
<p>Market Reduction of CO2: Cap and Trade &#8211; or Not?<br />
Basic Idea &#8212; Offsets &#8212; Tree Planting &#8212; Manufacture Shift &#8212; Fair Trade &#8212; Surreal Market &#8212; Real Market &#8212; Allowances: Auctions + Hand-Outs &#8212; Allowance Trading &#8212; Companies: Business Stability + Cost &#8211;<br />
In Conclusion</p>
<p>INSTEAD, Keep Life simple, deal with the problem&#8230;.</p>
<p>Assuming a need to deal with emissions,<br />
electricity generation (coal, gas) and transport (mainly automobiles) alone account for nearly 80% of fuel combustion emissions</p>
<p>More:<br />
 No Trade Problems like the ones Obama mentions.<br />
Unlike with Cap and Trade, that involves cement, steel and other industries having to face imports from unregulated countries,  electricity and transport changes are not just more limited, but also largely local.</p>
<p>The focus on electricity and transport gives several advantages &#8211; apart from lowering CO2 emissions:</p>
<p>1. Local environmental benefit from less pollution of sulphur and all else that&#8217;s in the emissions, regardless of the less certain or immediate global benefit from CO2 reduction &#8211; and that is one reason why the focus on carbon trading is wrong, compared with the focus on reducing fuel combustion emissions.<br />
2. Electricity supply alternatives which together with improved grid distribution gives better competition and keeps down electricity bills for consumers.<br />
3. Transport alternatives (using electricity, hydrogen and other energy sources), which also reduces the dependency on oil imports.</p>
<p>Funding and Impact<br />
Equity and long term loan finance can be used: Long term industrial loans from financial institutions, particularly if federal/state guaranteed, give low yearly interest repayments and lessen the effect on electricity bills or transport cost.<br />
The impact on the businesses is further lessened by the stability and predictability surrounding the funding.<br />
Since only electricity and transport are involved, other business continues as usual and consumers and society in general are spared expense and disruption.<br />
This is even more obvious from energy efficiency regulation not being necessary either.</p>
<p>Compare with<br />
today&#8217;s all-encompassing Cap and Trade (emission trading) suggestions, with unpredictability, expense, and needless disruption from normal business practice on one hand, or unnecessary profiteering from free allowance handouts with little actual emission reduction on the other hand &#8211; together with extensive regulation on what people can or can&#8217;t buy and use.</p>
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