Comments on: Climate Impacts of Waxman-Markey (Part II)—Global Sign-Up http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/ A free-market energy blog Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:52:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lena Lang http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-4532 Lena Lang Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:25:11 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-4532 This report ignores the so-obvious reality that China & India are unlikely to shift to a clean energy future without US leadership. The US is the leader in international politics, as the hegemonic player, and needs to wake up to this responsibility. Other EU countries are setting targets and doing their bit, but the US has their head in the sand because it's such a "challenge". Why cannot it be seen as an opportunity? The US can shift from finite depletable resources to sustainable sources; which will have to occur in the long-term anyway. Travis Monitor - I suggest you educate yourself on the methane hydrates under the Siberian permafrost, and other tipping points. This report ignores the so-obvious reality that China & India are unlikely to shift to a clean energy future without US leadership.

The US is the leader in international politics, as the hegemonic player, and needs to wake up to this responsibility. Other EU countries are setting targets and doing their bit, but the US has their head in the sand because it’s such a “challenge”. Why cannot it be seen as an opportunity? The US can shift from finite depletable resources to sustainable sources; which will have to occur in the long-term anyway.

Travis Monitor – I suggest you educate yourself on the methane hydrates under the Siberian permafrost, and other tipping points.

]]> By: Even the Generals are Worried! Mission Creep, Climate Change, and National Security (Part 1) — MasterResource http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1468 Even the Generals are Worried! Mission Creep, Climate Change, and National Security (Part 1) — MasterResource Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:04:19 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1468 [...] climate policies would avert. That’s hardly surprising, since as Chip Knappenberger has demonstrated, reducing U.S. emissions 83% below 2005 levels by 2050 — the Waxman-Markey [...] [...] climate policies would avert. That’s hardly surprising, since as Chip Knappenberger has demonstrated, reducing U.S. emissions 83% below 2005 levels by 2050 — the Waxman-Markey [...]

]]> By: Worth Re-reading Weekend (MasterResource works for lazy summer days too) — MasterResource http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1467 Worth Re-reading Weekend (MasterResource works for lazy summer days too) — MasterResource Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:28:37 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1467 [...] Climate Impacts of Waxman-Markey (Part II)—Global Sign-Up 2,165 Views (Chip Knappenberger) [...] [...] Climate Impacts of Waxman-Markey (Part II)—Global Sign-Up 2,165 Views (Chip Knappenberger) [...]

]]> By: The Broad Mind » Schelling on Climate Change http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1457 The Broad Mind » Schelling on Climate Change Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:06 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1457 [...] The Democrats could barely pass Waxman-Markey with an overwhelming majority, and that bill will do little to alleviate greenhouse gas [...] [...] The Democrats could barely pass Waxman-Markey with an overwhelming majority, and that bill will do little to alleviate greenhouse gas [...]

]]> By: The Farce of Climate Policy « Time to Choose Again http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1456 The Farce of Climate Policy « Time to Choose Again Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:22:04 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1456 [...] bill would have on future climate. It turns out that it is totally ineffectually and even getting the whole world to take part doesn’t help much. The idea of “stopping” climate change is so [...] [...] bill would have on future climate. It turns out that it is totally ineffectually and even getting the whole world to take part doesn’t help much. The idea of “stopping” climate change is so [...]

]]> By: Molto rumore per nulla | Climate Monitor http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Molto rumore per nulla | Climate Monitor Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:10:33 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1463 [...] Change - National Center for Atmospheric Research - Environmental Protection Agency [↩]qui e qui trovate la trattazione completa [...] [...] Change – National Center for Atmospheric Research – Environmental Protection Agency [↩]qui e qui trovate la trattazione completa [...]

]]> By: If Waxman-Markey Went Global… « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1466 If Waxman-Markey Went Global… « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:19 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1466 [...] All figures come from MasterResource. [...] [...] All figures come from MasterResource. [...]

]]> By: Rick Sharp http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 Rick Sharp Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:41:42 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1460 Anyone who thinks the Chinese are going to follow our example and risk destroying their economy is beyond naive. This coming from a westerner living in and doing business in Beijing for many years. Anyone who thinks the Chinese are going to follow our example and risk destroying their economy is beyond naive. This coming from a westerner living in and doing business in Beijing for many years.

]]> By: Cap and Trade | Detached Ideas http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1464 Cap and Trade | Detached Ideas Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:14:00 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1464 [...] by 2050 would still be less than 0.5° C.  Knappenberger’s analysis is given here and here, and assumes the IPCC mid-range or high-range emis­sions scenarios; for low-range scenarios the [...] [...] by 2050 would still be less than 0.5° C.  Knappenberger’s analysis is given here and here, and assumes the IPCC mid-range or high-range emis­sions scenarios; for low-range scenarios the [...]

]]> By: Travis Monitor http://www.masterresource.org/2009/05/part-ii-a-climate-analysis-of-the-waxman-markey-climate-bill%e2%80%94what-if-the-world-played-along/comment-page-1/#comment-1462 Travis Monitor Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:41:01 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=2367#comment-1462 I would add that something is wrong with the model, based on the output. Recent Science has shown that the lag effect or warming 'in the pipeline' is no more than 5-8 years, yet the model shows that even if the emissions were cut to almost nothing, the warming continues. This shows that it is modelling a lag effect warming increase that isnt there or is more muted than modelled. I think those who argue that the Conclusion should be "Any response needs to be a Global Response" ... that is valid. So I think it would make sense therefore to scrap Waxman-Markey and replace it with a regulation setup that has 2 triggers: 1. Temperature and CO2 increase trigger, ie, it only gets put into place if CO2 AND temperature passes a threshold (say go above 1998 temps). There is no sense implementing if this is a false alarm. 2. Global regulation trigger, ie, it only gets implement if China and India and the other G-8 nations pass similar regulations. There is no sense implementing if China and India wont do it. I would add that something is wrong with the model, based on the output. Recent Science has shown that the lag effect or warming ‘in the pipeline’ is no more than 5-8 years, yet the model shows that even if the emissions were cut to almost nothing, the warming continues. This shows that it is modelling a lag effect warming increase that isnt there or is more muted than modelled.

I think those who argue that the Conclusion should be “Any response needs to be a Global Response” … that is valid.
So I think it would make sense therefore to scrap Waxman-Markey and replace it with a regulation setup that has 2 triggers:
1. Temperature and CO2 increase trigger, ie, it only gets put into place if CO2 AND temperature passes a threshold (say go above 1998 temps). There is no sense implementing if this is a false alarm.
2. Global regulation trigger, ie, it only gets implement if China and India and the other G-8 nations pass similar regulations. There is no sense implementing if China and India wont do it.

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