Comments on: The Buzz about Antarctica http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/the-buzz-about-antarctica/ A free-market energy blog Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:52:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Paul http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/the-buzz-about-antarctica/comment-page-1/#comment-317 Paul Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:41:48 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=511#comment-317 And 'downplaying' might just be exactly what's needed when you have a planet in a state of hysteria. The IPCC believes it does not need CO2 to explain any warming that occured BC (before the Birth of CO2 in 1979) . I don't see any warming since then. Not in Antarctica. Something is wrong with the concensus. At least in Antarctica. Some dismiss the MWP and the LIA as Northern hemisphere phenomena despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Could this be the case with recent warming. And ‘downplaying’ might just be exactly what’s needed when you have a planet in a state of hysteria.

The IPCC believes it does not need CO2 to explain any warming that occured BC (before the Birth of CO2 in 1979) . I don’t see any warming since then. Not in Antarctica. Something is wrong with the concensus. At least in Antarctica.

Some dismiss the MWP and the LIA as Northern hemisphere phenomena despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Could this be the case with recent warming.

]]> By: KuhnKat http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/the-buzz-about-antarctica/comment-page-1/#comment-316 KuhnKat Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:00:49 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=511#comment-316 Tokyo Tom, read the paper and realise that the warming was all before the 80's. 30 years is the period that is trumpeted by the warmers as enough time to see a trend. I see a FLAT trend for Antarctica. What do YOU see?? Of course, they had to use questionable statistical methods with their data "creation" to even get a FLAT trend!! By the way, where is you DATA that shows the ozone hole was caused by Anthropogenic activity?? There is a new study that found a quite different lifespan for one of the primary Anthropogenic causes. They are scrambling to cover this hole in the theory right now!! Basically Anthropogenic causes are a pimple on the earth. Until you warmers understand this you will be running around screaming Death and Destruction and destroying wealth faster than Socialism and for even less reason!!! Tokyo Tom,

read the paper and realise that the warming was all before the 80’s. 30 years is the period that is trumpeted by the warmers as enough time to see a trend. I see a FLAT trend for Antarctica. What do YOU see??

Of course, they had to use questionable statistical methods with their data “creation” to even get a FLAT trend!!

By the way, where is you DATA that shows the ozone hole was caused by Anthropogenic activity?? There is a new study that found a quite different lifespan for one of the primary Anthropogenic causes. They are scrambling to cover this hole in the theory right now!!

Basically Anthropogenic causes are a pimple on the earth. Until you warmers understand this you will be running around screaming Death and Destruction and destroying wealth faster than Socialism and for even less reason!!!

]]> By: TokyoTom http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/the-buzz-about-antarctica/comment-page-1/#comment-315 TokyoTom Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:31:23 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=511#comment-315 Chip, seems to me that you're downplaying both the evidence for a long-term rise in Antarctic temperatures and the rather narrow way that "skeptics" have been trumpteing the medium term "cooling" that the CFC-induced ozone hole has caused. In aggregate, the picture of a warming Antarctica seems clearer all the time. Chip, seems to me that you’re downplaying both the evidence for a long-term rise in Antarctic temperatures and the rather narrow way that “skeptics” have been trumpteing the medium term “cooling” that the CFC-induced ozone hole has caused.

In aggregate, the picture of a warming Antarctica seems clearer all the time.

]]> By: Eric Steig http://www.masterresource.org/2009/01/the-buzz-about-antarctica/comment-page-1/#comment-314 Eric Steig Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:50:38 +0000 http://masterresource.org/?p=511#comment-314 Chip. I appreciate your balanced take on our paper. It's refreshingly well done. Thanks! It is worth noting that while you are right that our paper isn't very "exciting" -- i.e. it doesn't address "global warming", much as the reporters I've talked to and the various climate-change-conspiracy bloggers would like it to -- the reason it was published in Nature was *not* because it "topples long-standing beliefs" but because it answers a fundamental question: "what has West Antarctica been doing?" Our answer -- that it is warming like the Antarctic Peninsula -- is of great interest to Antarctic climate scientists and glaciologists. None of the pundits know what to do with this, so it didn't get much mention. Yet it is the chief finding of our paper, as I think we made very clear in the text. --best wishes Eric Steig Chip.
I appreciate your balanced take on our paper. It’s refreshingly well done. Thanks! It is worth noting that while you are right that our paper isn’t very “exciting” — i.e. it doesn’t address “global warming”, much as the reporters I’ve talked to and the various climate-change-conspiracy bloggers would like it to — the reason it was published in Nature was *not* because it “topples long-standing beliefs” but because it answers a fundamental question: “what has West Antarctica been doing?” Our answer — that it is warming like the Antarctic Peninsula — is of great interest to Antarctic climate scientists and glaciologists. None of the pundits know what to do with this, so it didn’t get much mention. Yet it is the chief finding of our paper, as I think we made very clear in the text.
–best wishes
Eric Steig

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